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PostSubject: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 2:21 pm

I've looked for anything on this subject but can't find anything other than a few people mentioning they use it, basically i'm trying to find out about the flipped gear method of locking my mst205 in my murray, how to do it, how reliable is it and what are the shortcomings of using this method to lock a transaxle, eventually i'll be putting in a doc locker, but until then i'm looking for a way to lock it without costing me much if anything
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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 2:34 pm

The only "flipped gear" method I've heard of is one that only works in a planryery gear differential like in an old Roper or Wheel Horse transaxle. Not sure if there's a way to do it for your standard lawn traxtor trans like an MST series.


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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 2:35 pm

Weld it solid and if you have extra spiders put those in if can then weld them in . The 205 differential is basically the same as these in my 930 . Just be care how much you weld in I'd welding it while it sits in the case halve and with all other gear shafts so you can make sure it will still spin without hitting other gears. Don't weld the bull gear to the spiders. Here's a few pictures of mine . Sorry for them being upside down . For some reason only those pictures do it. Hopefully a admin will drop by and flip them . So I do apologize. But I hope this will help . Let me know! And good luck

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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 2:42 pm

Flipped 'em for ya, again lol! But yeah, I din't think the flipped gear method can be applied to these types of differentials. I've also heard that in the old multi-pinion differentials like I mentioned before, it's a bad idea to flip the gears without welding because it will cause the gears to blow. Not sure if it's true it not but that's what I've heard.


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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 3:06 pm

The flipped gear method is for the GT transaxles like the roper 633, peerless 2300, and wheel horse transaxles
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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 3:12 pm

@AllisKidD21 thanks man ! Greatly appreciated . I have no clue why it does that to just those pictures lol! but yes I agree with you . Also the method of adding the spiders (like I did with welding as you can see) . some people that I've seen, don't weld it to finish it off. ( I mean welding is very fun and entertaining in my opinion so why not?) Which I may be wrong but I feel there would a awkward outward force with the axle spiders trying to push the added gears outwards and essentially annihilate the bull gear and possibly the case without the welds
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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 3:20 pm

No problem! Haha. Yeah welding it all together seems like it'd be more reliable than just putting the two extra spider gears in.

Also CQ I don't think it'd work in a 2300 because they have a convential spider gear setup inside a big carrier. Mighty used the fozzy locking methond for the 2300 in Kal.


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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 3:27 pm

Oh I thought it was the same as a 633, my bad
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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 3:37 pm

CraftsmanQuad19 wrote:
The flipped gear method is for the GT transaxles like the roper 633, peerless 2300, and wheel horse transaxles
so this method would probably work with the transaxle in my brothers wheelhorse b80 but not my mst, the references I found didn't say anything about what transaxle was used so I wasn't sure if it would work with my murray transaxle, i'll look into some of the other methods mentioned or leave it open tilli can put in a doc locker
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PostSubject: Re: flipped gear locking method   flipped gear locking method Icon_minitimeMay 26th 2018, 3:51 pm

darkside0914 wrote:
CraftsmanQuad19 wrote:
The flipped gear method is for the GT transaxles like the roper 633, peerless 2300, and wheel horse transaxles
so this method would probably work with the transaxle in my brothers wheelhorse b80 but not my mst, the references I found didn't say anything about what transaxle was used so I wasn't sure if it would work with my murray transaxle, i'll look into some of the other methods mentioned or leave it open tilli can put in a doc locker

Yes it probably would wprk in that Wheel Horse trans, but as I mentioned I've heard of pretty bad results coming from using the flipped gear method. @CreepyCrawler could probably tell you about that, haha.


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